[Music] thanks for tuning in to Jin and Tantra spirituality with a Twist you have Daniel driving the ship co-piloted by uh our good friend and contributor uh Dr Rory hilbrand Rory thank you for joining us today my friend my pleasure glad to have you back um but really Rory is driving the ship today uh the the uh Genesis of this episode is comes from the mind of one Dr Rory so uh if we crash it's his fault but if we take off into orbit and fly away it is also his fault so we're going to kind of have some uh conceptual discussions on what we would call the holographic nature of the universe and in sort of you know dais cosmology and and many other cosmologies really there's this kind of idea of a microcosm and a macrocosm that the universe is sort of repeating itself on larger and smaller scales sort of infinum and uh we're going to discuss uh these kind of related topics so if you're into that you're you're in the right place uh and if you're not into that then uh you know check out a cat video that would also be uh entertaining so uh yeah but anyways thanks for tuning in uh and Rory uh let's take it away sure so as you know I have a I have a little bit of a mathematics background just a bit Yeah mathematical economics major and um I was in uh a research fellowship with the NSF where I studied Chaos Theory mhm and uh you know I presented in 2011 numerical methods for detecting chaos and dynamic systems um and San Francisco and so it's it's a lot of fun it's a really interesting topic and it's a newer branch of mathematics um but it was really fascinating to me one time my dowst master when I was studying with my dowst lineage master song he was describing the microcosm and the macrocosm and he was effectively to him dosm is multi-dimensional math and so we have this rules and geometry structure of the universe that repeats and so when you have uh a repeating function it's called iterative so if you repeat a function over and over the iterative function creates what's called a fractal that's where fractals come from and the fractal is just the same pattern at different scales and so effectively what you get from these dowst laws of the universe is this same pattern or cosmology that's at different scales and that's really that's where we get the concept of the microcosm to the macrocosm in the Yuni you've seen me talk about the Yuni a lot that's like core to the Dohan cosmology two words on it because we have our audiences quite new all the time so yeah yeah so it's basically a portion one of the fundamental texts of of dosm and and Chinese medicine is the is the n Jing the inner classic and that's composed of two texts the suen and the lingu both are 81 chapters so that gives you a hint into the you know nine squared encoded with this numerology yeah and chapters 66 through 74 make up even though it's a small number of chapters it makes up a third of the text by volume so it's a huge part of this understanding and it outlines uh there's different schools of thought like five elements and the six stages of shangan Lun it combines them into one Theory um but it's not widely understood and it's not widely uh taught correct but within it is it it also talks about when you understand these five elements in six Chi you can then uh you can then begin to understand the near and the far basically this whole uh concept of the microcosm to macrocosm so as dsts we study this small unit it that's easily accessible to us the near our body yeah within to know without to know the so knowing studying and knowing this pattern of the human body we can know you know the whole universe and so we understand things like time through how it's process through our body we understand all kinds of phenomena everything the whole universe through our body and some interesting things I've been thinking about recently is is we apply this Tai symbol uh to our energy Anatomy so the taii ball we see it as a two-dimensional picture but really it's displaying the taii is is what portrays Yin and yangang you know for people who don't know what that is yin and yang because that's how they love to say that twins yeah this is the CL the classic symbol of the the the circle with the white for those who don't know I'm kind of like the Black Wave with the white dot and the White Wave with the black dot exactly but that's just you know a two-dimensional portrayal of a higher dimensional reality so when we studied that in the Dohan it's described as a Vortex the Tai Chi so it's it's actually more like a hurricane with an eye in the center an empty space in the center so it's not really like the white fish has a black eye and the black fish has a white eye it's more like you are looking through the white side of the sphere through the empty space and you can see the black eye and from the other side you look through the black side and you can see the white side through it and so when you map this Taurus Dynamic to the human body it gives us essentially uh this whole concept of Heaven coming into Earth so you have this big ball that's spinning downward and then rotates back up so effectively like I give this example all the time of like if you just imagine your favorite dessert you begin to salivate your insulin will spike your blood glucose will go down and it can it you can imagine things that affect your physical system when you think of stressful things you can spike your cortisol increase your neopine phrine epinephrine so on and so forth if you're if you worry enough you can produce enough gastric acid to give you an ulcer so your mental this subtle mental spiritual wisdom all of that comes into your emotion down into physical form and that is the placebo effect as we know of it our thoughts are influencing our physical body and so this is foundational to DST Theory and it's also interesting because in the Yuni it gets into what is the texture of your thoughts and how is it affecting different aspects of your five Elemental physical form different organs Etc now when you think about the placebo effect through looking at it through the lens of the microcosm to the macrocosm the the placebo effect isn't just you know an exception in this that we have to rub out the placebo effect is the law right it's the rule and so this whole if you look at it from this macrocosmic universe the way that we perceive this is that it's just a giant placebo effect this three-dimensional reality is a projection of higher dimensional Consciousness too and that's another I've been thinking about that and then also thinking about how time and space you know if if you've seen inter spell Interstellar and and the the you know he goes near a black hole yeah and he ages much faster because the time in space is bent from that planet in dosm we are projecting time and space all the time and uh how's buddy doing over there he's all right's um so we're projecting time and space all the time we don't we don't have a problem with that when we go to when we talk about our dreams that it's a projection of our own mind but right correct we object to that when we talk about you know you and I talking right now or you know anyone with their day-to-day experience but in the same way it's like in your dream you believe this to just be a product of your bre dream brain you know and my my uh Master s asked me one time because I was taking physics when I first met him I was trying to pursue a graduate degree in physics and so I was like what is this fundamental substrate of the universe the ether as they try and call it and yeah and he was he was just saying there's you're still too wrapped up in time and cause and effect and he said what do you think your dreams are made of quirks and gluons and that really struck with me too that this is all really Consciousness but uh it may be too much to go into right now but we can we are constantly manipulating our own time flow within our human body and the perception of time and for us it may be like it may we may object to that and say no a second's a second but if you look at planets which are just another scale of the same pattern sure they are totally warping bending space and time you know the AR scale people are going to say I mean I don't think anyone's going to say but if you want to have a discussion please leave a comment in the YouTube section or wherever you know or hit us up at Jin and Tantra gmail.com or uh leave a you know hit us up on the the podcast Jin and Tantra podcast but you know they're going to reference gravity right gravity as the uh source of dilation of time right and so while this is uh uh you know true as we know it to be currently how does you know I mean we don't have as much gravitational mass as a planet does and our planet doesn't have as much Gra gravitational mass as a larger planet does so isn't isn't it inherent in the difference in mass that their gravitational field will have an effect on on the dilation of time is what you're talking yeah so the larger scale will definitely affect it but we in our daas clan we the chongi we call this force of gravity and the Chong for those who are keeping score so that's yeah that's really that's the eye of that Taurus that Central column that's what enables you to project your own reality stronger is you're able to bend space and time to create these seemingly synchronicities in reality so let me let me do a a little bit of a recap here for for those who are still who are with us and who are listening or watching on any platform that you might be watching it on I might have lost everyone already no no no no we're good so I'll I'll bring it I'm going to bring it for I'll bring it whole to you okay so as a as a ins summation for where we are right now just in case you didn't get it and if this is a repetition then you get to hear my stupid voice so whatever um so the the Tai symbol okay the yinyang symbol the the coin of the black and the white right is a two-dimensional representation of a sphere relatively we'll call it a sphere for now right now if I'm drawing on a piece of paper that is flat which most paper is flat you cannot really draw well three-dimensionally it's still twood Dimension upon two Dimension but if I'm going to represent a three-dimensional object on a piece of paper it's going to be in two Dimensions so how would I represent a sphere on a two-dimensional piece of paper with a circle now if I simply put a hole in the middle of that Circle you will believe that that Circle has a hole in it that's the end of it and now it's not a circle anymore we call that a wheel [Laughter] but it's not a wheel it's a sphere that has a tube in the center and so you have that tube represented by both holes top and bottom if you want to call it top and bottom that then is a representation of what I would describe as our Aura right our electromagnetic field that surrounds us and I watched a documentary and and I'll have to send it to you um and I'm G to try and get this the director on here um but it's a documentary on the heart in particular and they do they show some research on the heart and one of the things that they find out is that the heart is able the body is able to pump blood even a minutes after the heart is stopped now this goes against conventional theory that that the heart is merely a pump and there's multiple reasons for why this is not correct number one because the the capillaries which is the the vessels of the blood that are at the end of our limbs right like in the smallest parts of our bodies they have a diameter I believe of like five to six nanometers your red blood your red blood cells have a diameter of six to seven nanometers so it's larger than the capillaries what does that mean who cares Daniel I can't measure I don't even have a ruler out no problem what I'm saying is that the heart cannot produce enough pressure based on its size relative to the body to do the pumping exclusively as a pump so that's one and then when we stop the heart the blood continues to pump okay what does that mean well that means that energy is coming from somewhere else somewhere else so they did these like experiment with a little egg that had an embryo in it they took the top off the egg they put in some I forgot what it was potassium sulfide something to stop the beating of the heart and yet the blood kept pumping and then when they put red infrared light on it the blood would continue to pump for another 20 or 30 minutes so what does that mean when when you say pump do you mean flow yeah flow sorry the blood is Flowing not pumping you're right the blood is Flowing what does that mean the heart is not the exclusive pump of the blood number one and number two we are getting the rest of the uh energy in order to overcome inertia from our environment MH in the Sim in a related study they check the electromagnetic field around the heart and around the brain so again we're in this physics episode so we're going to do some Physics you know right so any and Rory probably could describe this a little bit better than I can because I only have a minor in physics not a you know I'm just a baby but anything that has an electrical current will have a magnetic field surrounding it and so you have this kind of relationship between electromagne Electro electricity and magnetism which is why Magneto and storm get along so well for those who like comic books um but anyways what does that mean that means that the field around an electrical current can be measured and so they measure the current or they measure the field around our brain get this about an inch away from the body that's cool the heart you know how big about 3 feet so I give all of this as technical examples that not only are we not just simply matters of mass but we are matters of energy too and the and I'm going to tie this together now and the idea of an aura meaning that I can mathematically with tools can detect the uh um elect magnetic field 3et away from my body so the idea that we are part of uh this spherical structure that is surrounding us is not only is it not far-fetched It Is verifiable by Scientific Technology today so are you well let me ask did you do a uh a hot rod reference earlier hot rod yeah yeah have you seen that movie I have not seen the movie oh but I might have in my previous life okay it he goes saying what weird in it oh you know oh the W's that's what yeah yeah that's from uh uh Stewart from Family Guy okay cool got it um are you familiar with uh EZ water Gerald Pollock research so it's basically um it I think it sounds a lot like what you're talking about with the heart not being a pumped too and it's basically we're going off on a on a let's not let's not derail I just wanted I wanted to do I wanted to summary and I wanted to to to make it even more tangible because I'm a Capricorn so you know yeah well I I gotta I got it's just running through me so I got to talk a little bit about sorry you're good so like even like a tree how does a tree without a motor or a pump get water up to its top branches without yeah without water and so basically what he and especially with infrared light they found that water itself since it's all these magnetic little dipoles it'll arrange itself into this uh what he calls exclusion Zone it makes like a hexagonal lattice of water molecules and so that's um what they think is involved in the uh circulatory system as well oh nice yeah and and um yeah and so as a uh as a advertisement for our businesses we've been having we've been having we've been having infrared lights in the clear in the Tre in the treatment rooms for long time far before it was popular you know with the uh mega mega millionaires who want to you know live until they're uh 200 uh this is old hat for us we've been getting I've been getting people tan on that on that you know treatment table for since I started yeah and that's shouyan energy too yeah and you know it benefits the heart and the kidneys yeah so okay so so continuing on from where you were before so now we have this this uh Taurus around us this sphere around us with the the pole in the center that runs up and down our body that some might call uh shamna in like yogic terminology you're going to call it in the in the you know Chinese medical terminology the Chong ma the the center the central Channel or they call it what the The Vessel The Vessel of gushing and rushing or something like this uh yeah and some just some other thoughts that I'm I'm thinking about with it is like when you can you look at certain Concepts from different scales and it kind of breaks apart Duality from this relativity concept so in relativity you know the time flow certain things are are consistent or uniform in what's called an inertial coordinate system and so um what we're doing is is changing our view our da Guan what it's called is our dowst view to look at the same question from different scales and and really take a look at it so it's almost like Zen Coons so if you think about like is is it free will or destiny this predicament that we're in and so if you think that it's free will you have to suppose that there's an individual that had that can have free will MH but if you suppose that it's fate well what is fate other than the free will of God at another level so Free Will and fate it's almost like syntax error if you can look at it from all scales sure yeah you know the um uh not agnostics but the Gnostic the Gnostic approach right so so the gnostics and we've had on um uh you know kind of a guy who has a you know pretty big Gnostic podcast he's written books he's done all kinds of stuff Miguel Connor uh shout out to Miguel uh uh what's it called Aon bite Gnostic radio that's his thing and so he's you know pretty knowledgeable on the topic and we've had him on before we've done some Gnostic episodes but their idea is that like God is above all of the things and we are being influenced by they call them the Demi urge or Demi urg these other minor gods that are like messing with God's actual uh plan for us and and you know having a negative uh effect on reality that's their that's their belief so that's another smaller slightly smaller scale than yeah and we we kind of in within that great Taurus that you're contained in it has seven levels each time so this is what's interesting and and that was in anytime that you would have like a expand like shoot out of your crown into a different plane entirely you're not having like a like like via meditation or via Dreaming or via death or or all the above all any any of these but death doesn't necessarily mean through the crown also you can um so meditation some people have these experiences on DMT too where it's like an unfolding of geometry like unwrapping wrapping paper or like the blossoming of a flower which I think a lot of depictions uh of deities comes from is like this thousand pedal Lotus like this geometry just an experience of these when we talk about higher Dimensions it's also literal in a sense so and not just literal there's also it its quality and and geometry is is quite different and experience and intensity um but anytime that you are in like a certain plane so we talk about a hologram there's like multiple layers we have seven layers so each time you can go up or down you have seven layers which just is a an interesting aside if anyone's into mathematics they can look into bot periodicity so in mathematics we have this periodicity of seven dimensions 0 through 7even go going on on how B A HT B TT bot periodicity and I'm just this is just speculation but I think it's a fascinating parallel um and so that Central channel That central eye of that Taurus that expands up to another eye almost like it was mahash Shiva ratri yesterday and the for of Shiva you know when Brahman and Vishnu have an argument over who's more powerful Shiva comes and shows him his true shows them his true form of this unending still column of light and so that's the same in the dowst cosmology your changai is like your connection to the Dao and that's the unchanging Dao Universe yeah the way and so it projects out it branches out at all these different levels and those create within them is like a tiny dot of Stillness Within These Tauruses that project out dual Tauruses and so there's a Stillness within each of those so it's almost like there's a there's a God within each of them so it's like we have these Infinities but there's different scales of infinity you know so we can have different sized infinities and another thing that I've been thinking about we were talking about how AI is really trendy and I had asked uh my teacher you know what what does zsm tell us about AI like can AI be conscious can AI be spiritual and so he said yes the AI can imitate up to six-dimensional consciousness but since it doesn't have a Changi of its own it's just it can only imitate that pure light it's not a it's not its own uh it's not a progyny it's like a reflection of the existing light like we can still say that you you know Venus is out and it's shining but it's not through its own light right but they they'll even they make this reference in the uh in Buddhism they have a couple funny stories in Zen too that the the the reflection of the moon in the water is not the true Moon yeah right and that they have another one it says a dog is walking on a bridge with a piece of meat in its mouth that he just stole and then he's walking over a body of water and he looks down and he say sees this dog walking by him with a piece of meat in his mouth so he jumps off the bridge to get the other dog's piece of meat yeah yeah it's a reflection yeah but it's not yeah it's not the real thing yeah yeah so I thought that was you know kind of fascinating to think about Rory let me let me ask all right so so as somebody you've been you know studying this it's it's totally in your Vibe as a you know math person and and a Dost mathematician if you can call you you know accessing this right become because you know we talk about okay if you leave your if you leave through the crown these you know we're all this type of discussion but like what is the for for somebody who is not an acupuncturist who is not using these points in that way for someone who's a a practitioner of dosm or a meditation meditative practitioner or someone who wants to you know I don't know uh alter their state of Consciousness and then try and play around what would you what would you say to that person about being more involved in this uh reality from a a a different perspective or not a different perspective but you know another Viewpoint I think you know just listening to talks like this can really expand your mind and open yourself in subtle ways and opening your mind will have subtle effects to your energy and your body you know what you that's what the placebo effect really is there's an old saying there's one man who says he can't and one man who says he can and they're both right and so it's not that you know if you want to cultivation you know a lot of people ask that what's the best way to cultivate should I visualize a taii sphere and sit in it and it it really it really depends you know it really depends on on your context in that moment in time and your nature and there's so many things and and really I think the most important one is to get comfortable to get comfortable in yourself and you know the less tension the better conductor and that that really is your true nature is is nature itself it's not something separate that you have to you are life you are life itself it's not some Distant Force that you have to obtain and so and and a lot of people hear that but it doesn't really hit home for them there it you know it's hard to try and relax and so I think spiritual I definitely suffered from like I was greedy to have like big experiences you know I think that's probably why I went down the rout of DMT and stuff but really the alchemical process really you start to really hit gold when you really relax and accept and surrender and that's such a difficult thing to do because people try and you see this all the time people try and you know they get an idea that oh surrendering will give me this thing right you know and so they try and you I remember you know like sitting be like okay I Surrender like anything around all I did it now we're good right yeah and you see it in the clinic too you know people understand that oh they need to relieve stress in order for their health to improve and so you know relieving stress becomes this big problem that they're trying to solve and that Pursuit is is a huge source of stress and itself or fertility too that's a huge one it's like oh I know I need to relax and so trying to surrender you know you know just it's those deep shifts internally that's that's a that's a tough cell and the Dohan uh they say when you stop being stubborn in your own way your karma instantly changes and so there's real deep roots in our our stubbornness yeah that's the uh what does Yoda say there is no try there is only do yeah yeah yeah yeah it's a it's a very deep thing to to not be who we are yeah that's that that that is you know you know the people people who do plant medicine uh they love to call this the ego death oh I gotta I gotta get you know I got I need my ego to die oh yeah yeah oh all right good luck with that I hope that is a fantastic time for you but it's it's an acceptance I think that you are a finite being mhm at the same time you are an infinite being mhm and The The J depos between those two is a very hard it's a you know you're trying to Circle a square you can't you can't really do it without being with when you're only one or the other and this becomes very difficult for people because they are locked into the visual reality of life that that life is uh Newtonian physics and so what I mean by this is it like it's it's it's uh pool balls you know things smash around each other this does this this does that you know I push on this car it rolls downhill that's how things work I am you you are me you I'm sorry I am me you are you everybody is the The Listener who's listening to this is them and everybody and so we are this and so when a discussion of something that would be I guess like Eternal doesn't compute because we don't the oldest thing that we can see is like what a castle and now yes I know we could see nature but I mean nature is abstract and yeah we could look at carbon dating of the water levels that were there and the minerals that were present and the stains they left on the rocks and say this was here you know asteroid came here 400,000 years ago like that those numbers are abstract a 400,000 years ago you know I'm 40 400,000 years ago so a 100,000 of my lifetimes an asteroid hit that thing it doesn't make any sense but with architecture this was built in 1920 oh wow 100 years ago but here it is this was built in this you know what I'm saying and so it just becomes something very like um non-conceptual for someone to think that there's an aspect of them that is eternal MH and and for me I I try so diligently to help people bridge that Gap because I think that it's it's such an empowering thing to be able to at least have the idea that it's possible and then when we you know as like you said when you H when you do that when you if you can have that for me anyways and I am in a death Doula uh class right now so this is fresh for me right and I'm wearing all black so I guess it fits you know but like that's a big um it's a big relief it's a big relief because then the the the struggles and the why for me why it's hard to relax because we're trying we're trying to do something we're trying to do blank what is blank well blank could be anything but we're trying to do that thing because we believe for sure that this is the this is the this is the only goal round I'm ever going to have here and it's not to say they not do things but it it brings a stress and when you're constantly stressed you're not relaxed and when you're not relaxed you're stressed and so you're not able to be in a in a deeper state of connectivity with what is already surrounding you because you're wrapped up in whatever things that you're trying to do and it just becomes a very different um way of living I heard something I don't I'm not really a huge fan of him but sad Guru he's a kind of famous person you know he said oh people talk about managing stress stress management he's like why would you manage stress it's not an asset it's not a resource you manage your money you manage your time you manage your employees why do you want to manage your stress is that helping you you know like he's like this mentality needs to change I'm not really a fan of it and you know I really I was like damn I appreciate that that's a good thought yeah yeah I think we want to mitigate our stress yeah yes for sure so yeah so I like all of that um yeah so you're so you're kind of like takeaway from from that from your discussion on all of this is to sort of find Space to relax into whatever your nature is yeah yeah just get get comfortable and and enjoy the show you know there's so many tangents I could go off on just thinking about you know talk about time and and uh you know seeing things and you know looking at the stars and how you're looking at the past and then but but the photon that reached you it didn't exist at all doesn't move into the Fe it didn't experience any time yeah and it's another really deeper ins I'm G to go off on some tangents I'm sorry but another really deep insight into like e equal mc^2 yeah is also that everything is moving at the speed of light yes so it's moving at the speed of light through SpaceTime so it's almost like a it's almost in the form of like a pi r squar equation where you can draw an arc of a circle and so at the top you'd have the speed of light go I'll it would look like this to you but the speed of light moving at the speed of light space but not moving through time and then down on this axis of Time Versus space a black hole would be traveling at the speed of light through time but not not in space you lost me a little bit on that one ah well it it's just everything's on everything's moving at the speed of light through SpaceTime and that's distributed through either space or time which it which also lends itself to a projection too that everything's coming from the central light yeah yeah well that part I understand yeah yeah I mean I there I have many many questions but when you know and I'm always trying to relate this so like when you when you see somebody okay somebody comes in into the clinic and and they have whatever they have but let's say it's not physical in nature it's not like back pain or neck pain okay yeah how do you try you know how do you try and Implement some of you know this these things that you're that you're always wrestling with thinking about like how do you try and bring that into like the discussion of someone's life or of someone's um situation or something like this right because I mean it's not only these things these ideas these things are not only meant for Dost philosophers right they're meant for everybody to to digest at whatever level they can digest them at but so that that's my that's what I'm I'm wondering so usually I'll I'll talk about Theory and help someone processing more if there's like a I've seen a lot of like hypoglycemia so like a spleen you know deficiency type of thing and overactive production of of insulin and just there's this worry that comes with that and so they're often hyper process processing and in their heads a lot and so in those cases I may help them to process something that they're just spinning about and then so like have that's where like this wisdom can really hit home and you talk about it and you have to do this in a practical way then here I can just you know go off on you know it's all a projection there's multiple yeah we're all moving in I'm not going to say that to it I'm going to be practical in that context if they have like more of a heartache it's not going to I'm not going to give them as much processing I'm really going to transmit as much as I can a feeling to them and I'm going to try and move like often there's a diaphragmatic constriction like especially if it's like in that state of like resentment where the the diaphragms pr venting that pathogenic Chi from injuring the heart and you know you see them just thinking about it and they're holding their breath and then you know they stop for a second they breathe um I may try and transmit a feeling and sometimes I'll do that not just through the needle I might just touch a point or just press on the diaphragm and get it to release a little bit and then there's we use certain like mantras to evoke uh certain energy through the the nerve sorry can you hear that my printer okay great um certain energy going through the nerve we don't say them out loud but it's really that same process of the me whatever is occurring in your mind like the placebo we were talking about will be activity within the nervous system itself and so you create a field surrounding it and you try and transmit you it's basically all the control cycle you use a Heavenly energy and you try and transmit to that organ if it's an emotional thing but we also use that same method for if they have anemia and so we'll put a Jo in energy into the deep level of like spleen 6 and gallbladder 39 to influence the marrow as well and we'll resonate those with like spring energy um so it really it every like we talked about before it's all context it depends on on on what it is and so no you one you could say like the Dow is like the all healing energy but in manifestation there's more Nuance right too right yeah well it's fascinating man I mean it's it's always interesting to hear other people's process in the clinic for sure you know like someone else's mindset with this you know um and I know for our audience there we do have a lot of of of Chinese you know medical practitioners and and people who are into healing of various types here but um if uh you know I think it's relatable for if you work on people or you work on yourself right and why I say that is that like how how you approach things is more important than maybe the the the particular tool that you have and that if you're approaching them from a very like centered space then you have the ability to do things that you might not be consciously aware of and that's a really wonderful place to be and if you are a a skilled practitioner then you get to combine not only your um education hello yeah you not only get to use your education but you get to use your experience and your and your intuition as well which ultimately is for me like that's the that's the trifecta I want to try and and be in you know I think that takes us full circle back to the you know microcosm and and macrocosm too it's like you understand others through your own experience that's how you really understand something and can relate to it and how your words can really have power if there's like experience in it that's people can sense when there's like a weight to your words if even if they don't necessarily know the subject that you're talking about you can when you're talking to someone you're like this person knows their stuff you or you can like feel the the texture behind it you know like and and so really knowing yourself deeply you can you can know others knowing the near yeah you know the far you know it's almost like people who can really you know some people are really into calligraphy and they can tell so much about the person just by looking at The Strokes yeah or or I was surprised someone sent me a formula recently and they said what do you think about this formula I got from someone and I you know I could see just some of their thinking in it and you they more TCM and they were more evidence-based and and I was amazed at how by knowing something really well you can understand yes you can understand it in others and so knowing that's the biggest key and that's that's Daoism that's Chinese medicine is understanding that's what I want to get to in terms of like the microcosm isn't just you know the microcosmic orbit and all that it's really when you know yourself deeply it's it's the key to insight into into others I think that's a wonderful it's very well worded yeah yeah very well worded and I think that's a good place to pause for us right there cool yeah well Rory you know it's uh it's always a pleasure to have you on um I feel like I always learn so much about you but then just about stuff in general when you come on so I always appreciate uh I always appreciate the shares and and um and everything else and so we're glad to have you as a part of the project you know I love being here man it's great Vibe yeah know it's it's it's cool man so uh you know audience you know thanks for listening uh lighting is so bothering me right now but you know it's okay listen to the audio version you know my lighting or yours no mine mine mine died and now I whatever it looks like I have a flashlight from the bottom like I'm in a camp ground we should do that sometime but anyways are You Afraid of the Dark uhuh uhuh sometimes um but thanks for coming on you know audience thanks for that's thanks for tuning in thanks for listening you know we have a a bunch of different contributors and everybody brings a different vibe which is part of what I wanted to be honest you know I like I like this community approach of having different voices in the same place you know in order to provide value for different people so you know ultimately the goal is for people to find out whatever it is that they're interested in and then you know when that person comes on we're going to be in that vein uh and when other people come on it's going to have a slightly different twist uh but ultimately everything that we are bringing to the table here is relata blish it's relatable but it also is going to take you you know beyond just the mundane view that's the hope the goal is to leave the mundane view behind as soon as you finish with this podcast you can immediately go back to the mundane view if you like but the hope is that we color your thinking for just just a little bit so that you can suspend the the view of reality as just merely balls smashing into each other and maybe see some fields and some potentialities for things that can uh you know help you to see things differently then ultimately uh get to know yourself a little bit better to know the universe around you a little bit better is that right yeah I heard a great term recently uh basically expand Beyond room temperature Consciousness I like that yeah I like that too that works for me that works for me well Rory thank you so much for coming on man we appreciate it uh audience thank you for listening uh definitely you know subscribe to the work that we do here we definitely appreciate it and you know we've been growing a bit so we appreciate everybody who has subscribed if you're a new viewer and you have not and you are still here you like what we're doing just hit that button it helps us out it costs you nothing we definitely appreciate it uh if you want to get a hold of us uh email Jin anantra gmail.com uh you can also leave a comment in the YouTube section or feel free to slide in our DMS on the gram at the Jin and Tantra podcast uh for Dr Rory this is Daniel we'll catch you in the next one peace